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February 26th, 2004
My Messy Bedroom
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Snow job
Josey Vogels
 


Cass Rhynes exposes a teenage "phenomenon"

I gave my first blowjob when I was 14. And back then, blowjobs hardly ever made the evening news. We had to figure out what it was all on our lonesome.

If blowjobs had enjoyed the media profile they do these days, I too might have got an earlier start.

Which is why I'm a little baffled at people's shock and outrage that girls aged 12 and 13 are supposedly handing out blowjobs like candy, according to a recent Globe and Mail feature that got everyone's knickers in a twist.

"In many circles, oral sex has become almost as normal as acne or homework or cafeteria gossip," says one social worker in Sara Wilson's article ("Good girls do," The Globe and Mail, Saturday, February 7).

Of course, two paragraphs later, a female student guesses that about 10 per cent of her all-female grade 8 class performed oral sex regularly on boys. I'm hoping more than 10 per cent of kids are doing their homework. And I know more than that have acne. But why let reality get in the way of a nice shocking story?

The other big shock? It used to be just the slutty girls that were doing it. Now, even "good girls" are willing to give it up, and often without expecting any return on the favour.

That part's a little annoying, but then again, think about it. We're way more casual about blowjobs in our culture. We all know at least one American president who was getting them in his office. On the other hand, there isn't even a slang equivalent for cunnilingus. And have you ever tried performing cunnilingus in a bathroom
stall?

But beyond practical considerations, the assumption is that these girls wanted the favour returned. Who knows? If you're giving a guy a meaningless blowjob, maybe that's all you want out of the encounter. Maybe, rather than seeing it as a submissive act, these girls really do see it as "no big deal," as some of them said. Or as others saw it, a powerful thing: "Doing, rather than being done."

According to another social worker in the Globe article girls are more aggressive than ever when it comes to voicing their sexual wishes: "I know what I want and I can get it."

The case that brought this whole "phenomenon" to the media's attention was that of Cass Rhynes, the 19-year-old baseball player who went to jail for 45 days for receiving oral sex from two girls aged 12 and 13. He thought they were 14, the age of consent in Canada.

But guess what? One of the girls in PEI testified that Cass Rhynes was reluctant and she forced herself on him.

We're still not comfortable with girls being the sexual aggressors. We still rely on girls to be our social sexual barometer.

After all, why aren't we scolding boys for not refusing oral sex? Were these guys just standing around when the girls' mouths happened to fall on their dicks? Who knows, because not one BJ recipient was interviewed for the article.

People are freaking out about the young age of these girls performing oral sex (again, no one seems concerned that the boys are too young to receive it). In response to the Globe feature, one reader wrote that he felt kids are becoming sexually active "too soon."

If only someone could decide exactly what age was appropriate this would all be so much easier. As it is, that age is assigned arbitrarily depending on where you live.

And in some parts of the world, 12 and 13 is hardly "too soon."

I'm not totally naive and I do realize that there are emotional repercussions to our sexual behaviour at any age.

But young people are sexual, and possibly at a younger age (though I suspect this has always been going on, we just didn't write big newspaper features about it). Rather than sit in horror and shock at this "deviant" behaviour - as Margaret Wente called it in her disturbingly alarmist column in response to Wilson's - wouldn't it be wiser to get real?

The Globe article places blame on "an atmosphere in which sex is a commodity to exchange for status, while overworked parents and school systems are often less than available to help kids interpret messages they are receiving."

Excuse me, but it's not like they talked to us about it when they were available.

In fact, as Laura Wershler, a sexual health advocate in Calgary and a member of Mad Moms Against Bad Sex Ed, said in yet another follow-up article to the Globe piece, "This generation of parents may be uniquely positioned to help their children navigate the complexities of sex." We probably have greater knowledge and experience than previous generations. The trick, she says, is to "push ourselves to be more candid."

And that's a biggie. Most adults would rather sit around freaking out about how our sex-charged culture is corrupting our children than do the work it takes to deal with their own sexual hang-ups and talk frankly and openly about what's going on in their kid's lives. I'm not saying you have to hold her hair back for her while she goes down, but putting aside an assumption here and there might not be a bad idea.

For instance, why do we automatically assume that having a dick in our mouth lowers your self-esteem? Who knows how all this "fly-by fellatio" will affect these girls. I feel like a pretty well-adjusted human being. I grew up to become a sex columnist but I doubt those early blowjobs are to blame. If anything, I'd have to say my early exposure to sex gave me a healthier attitude about it. I enjoyed it before anyone could tell me it was bad.

Maybe there will be a study in 10 years proving the serious long-term negative effects of giving blowjobs at age 12 or maybe we'll just have a generation of women who are just really good at giving head.


 
 



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Truly stupid column  
 
I happened to pick up the Hour and read the SNOW JOB column by Josey Vogels, "sex columnist".

Josey's non sequiturs lead me to wonder what her qualifications for the job are. The fact that she gave blowjobs at 14 certainly hasn't improved her logic skills. For example, she details the fact that the baseball player went to jail for sex with minors, but then a few sentences later she writes "After all, why aren't we scolding boys for not refusing oral sex?" We don't just scold them, Josey - we send them to jail when appropriate.

She then goes on to criticze the prohibition against sex with minors on the grounds that the age is assigned arbitrarily. Yes, Josey, it is arbitrary but that relatively small disadvantage is more than offset by the fact that human beings know that certain activities (sex, drinking, driving, voting, military service, etc.) require an appropriate amount of mental, emotional, physical, ... resources in order to generally avoid terrible consequences that society is not willing to tolerate. This is not news - children and adults are different and it is legitimate to treat them differently in certain contexts. Virtuall all societies do it and have done it for eons. "wouldn't it be wiser to get real?" - take some of your own advice.

Nowhere in your column do you relate that when normal people engage in intimacy, emotional bonds tend to form, and when people use sex in a cavalier way, deep hurt can occur. And that effect is enormously worse in children, and therefore sex with minors is both wrong and illegal.

I suppose it was unintentional, but pedophiles must have been really encouraged by your column, Josey. My guess is that being a "sex columnist" means that you have to keep writing racier stuff each week, stuff that you think is on the edge and cool, to keep up your readership. The problem is that that's required you to put your moral compass in the drawer. Much too high a price to pay.

Alex Simonelis
{1 vote}
March 3rd, 2004

Snow Jobbing  
 
I must say that I am not surprised that more pre-teen and teenage girls are giving blow jobs. When I was growing up in the early '90s, my fellow students were doing all kinds of things in middle school, including sex. I think it is just a sign of our times that sex has become more and more de-stigmatized, and pre-teens and teens are no longer afraid to engage in all kinds of sexual acts.

I'm a bit conflicted about whether this is a good thing or not. On the one hand, I do not agree with how our society often makes sex mysterious. Sex is a natural thing, most humans will do it, and kids need to learn about it without being embarrassed about it. Parents and teachers need to be more open with kids about sex, and some sex education approaches do help to inform kids about sex without preaching at them. On the other hand, I'm not sure how emotionally prepared many kids are to have sex, including oral sex, when they are in middle school or even early high school. I think part of this stems from adults not being open about sex, so some kids "do it" as an act of rebellion. Kids also need to know the consequences of their actions- they need to learn to protect themselves and empower themselves while having sex without endangering themselves in the process.

Rather than preaching about how wrong it is for girls to give head at such a young age, adults should realize that this is a reality of the times and do their best to prepare these kids to act responsible.

Heather Jackson
{2 votes}
March 3rd, 2004

What was that Christina Ricci Movie?  
 
It's nice to think of sex as something that mature, loving adults engage in. But that's just romanticising the act and idealizing ourselves. Sex is just sex. It's part of being alive; like eating and drinking and sleeping. Maybe because we're "higher beings" we try to make sex into something more than it is - but it's just us using our equipment.

On one hand, the idea of 12 years olds giving blow jobs does disturb me immensely. On the other, I realize very few of them do and it's probably just a matter of early experimentation. It would be interesting to trace how young people have been viewed in history. Today we expect 12/13 year olds to be non-sexual, to be "children". But what about 100 years ago? 200 years ago? I am not saying they were more sexually active then, but they were probably not viewed as kids who played with their dolls and stuff and weren't asked more than to put their dishes in the sink. They had adult responsibilities and were treated more like little adults.

In any case, the reason I don't think teens should be engaging in sexual acts is simply because, in this day and age, they are not ready for parenthood and perhaps too young to understand the repercussions of STD's. Because if sex didn't result in babies or disease, I don't think people would be making such a big deal out of it. "But that's just it."

Kinga Breining
{3 votes}
March 2nd, 2004

To do; Or, Not To Do; that is the question.  
 
I remember when I was a teen-ager and many of my female friends were giving blowjobs and having sex at a young age. I was a little more reserved. I was what they termed a late bloomer, so when my friends would talk about what they were doing; I would try and not seem disgusted or shocked, because that wouldn't look too cool. I had learned a lot just from listening. Where I grew up it was known that if you wanted to keep your boyfriend; you would eventually have to give him a blowjob and/or even sex. If you didn't he may look elsewhere. I did finally mature and started to have oral sex and intercourse, but I was already a young adult thinking I was mature enough to handle this new sexual maturity. I don't feel we are ever mature enough to handle sex. We actually regress back to being teen-agers. Which is probably why we love having sex so much. It keeps you young at heart. As for Cass Rhynes; I believe he was old enough to know better and hope he spent his time lecturing himself on conducting himself in a better light. I am a mother of a 17-year-old male young adult. I have established with him an open communication on any subject and more specifically sexual conduct and what role he plays in this forum. My sister on the other hand has 2 daughters and a son. We will be busy when these girls become teen-agers, because at the age of 7 and 4 they seem at times to be very grown up that it's scary.

Pamela Wright
{3 votes}
March 1st, 2004

The good ol' days ?  
 
Many times have I heard someone say something along the lines- of how much more sexual kids are, how much more violent these times now are, how much more [fill in the blank] that [ some thing ] is these days - and I think that it's mostly people looking at the past wearing rose-colored glasses, as well as people possibly being more truthful and not caring as much what people ask during a survey.

You could be pretty sure that your dad got head when he was a teenager, and you can be pretty sure your mom gave head when she was that age also - though maybe not to your dad ( oh oh !!! ). No guarantee that your mom got head herself- but we can always hope so- because it feels great doesn't it ?

Teens have ALWAYS been over-sexual - and parents have almost always been in denial about it. At that age- with your body going through all those changes, the need for acceptance, raging hormones and the such - how could you not be ?

I think it's a time for us to come out of self-denial, realize that young people desire good feelings, and be more concerned about them proceeding in a healthy and safe manner than anything else- which means education and support and love.

That all being said - Cass Rhynes was a total asshole for doing that shit with much younger girls - he took advantage of their naivety, as well as his "authority" position. Shame on him.

Rob Postuma
{1 vote}
February 29th, 2004

Blown logic  
 
I don't even know where to begin.

I want to say that I'm shocked, that this comes as a surprise but I can't. I've seen this coming for a long, long time. I guess I'd like to believe that girls are doing this because they're mature enough to know what they're doing but I know better. These silly girls are becoming more and more sexual without any appreciation of what they're selling out in the process. We all have to become sexual creatures at some point but this is just too soon. God, I feel old.

I'll let someone else run down a deeper analysis of this situation, me I'd rather restrict myself to correcting a few points that bother me about this article and at least one reply.

Re Josey's comment:"For instance, why do we automatically assume that having a dick in our mouth lowers your self-esteem? Who knows how all this "fly-by fellatio" will affect these girls."

Sorry Josey but that's not the assumption I come to. Josey, you're a woman of the world, you're not some naive thing. You know as well as I do that any young girl who gets known because she can give a killer blowjob will get branded as easy and a slut regardless of whether or not she actually does put out. *That* will eventually lower her self-image not the fact that she can give wrap her lolita lips around a cock and pump away till he pops his load.

As for Mr. Zambito comment that young girls won't stop giving blowjobs because it seems to him as if they like it a lot like the boys like to suck on a women's breasts--I don't even know what to say. It's such a typically male response that I'm amazed that no other woman has bothered to comment on it. It's not even a logical comparison. Yes, boys like breasts but most women don't have such a overwhelming fixation for the penis. Yes, some of us do get quite aroused when our breasts are fondled and suckled but to compare that to a blowjob is just retarded.

Juana Cabezas
{7 votes}
February 28th, 2004

Guess I'm late on this topic...but what the hell....  
 
My only words to you all on this matter is... who gives a flying _ _ _ _. These girls have the freedom to choose, make right and wrong decisions, thanks to our wonderful society here in Canada.

If they had been forced into giving oral sex then these guys should be shot. That said we should all get together and help a real cause.... fighting for all those children who are being raped, murdered and sold for slavery around the world....

don't you think this should take front stage.

Mike Philippes

August 17th, 2007

I've Heard  
 
So far in my life as a 12 year old I've noticed a couple of thigns that disturb me. Girls do give blowjobs at a young age and as i get to befriend some of the girls in my grade I begin to find out from them that they have had oral sex with highschoolers and one of my best friends (girl) had told me that she too has done it numerous times but i and i do feel that 12-13 is a young age to give oral sex, but it seems as though nobody really cares now. I do'nt understand why a girl would continuaslly give oral pleasure after experiencing it. I feel as though they are degrading themselves or lowering themselves. That is my opinion.
I do hate the fact that a girl would willingly stick a cock in her mouth and just eat it all up just for the sole purpose of feeling mature and trying it. I agree with the article but i don't agree with some of the childish statements made by "Josey Vogules"

Kirby Cabrera

November 23rd, 2005

It's been going on for years  
 
Reading the press coverage about Cass Rhynes caused a flash back to a time over 30 years ago when I was in high school and similar things were happening in the community where I lived. Three Jr. High girls were giving blow-jobs to some high school guys. It was a regular Friday night event - in the woods near the community centre that was a teen hangout. I couldn't understand why they did it as they were young and there were no relationships involved. It lasted for a few months until winter.

Several years later in Toronto I ended up dating the room-mate of one of the girls, who by then was in her early twenties. One night, after a few drinks, I asked her whether the stories were true (thinking she might deny it). But she didn't.

She said it started after her girlfriend had been flirting with a high school guy who had gone out with her older sister and he put her off as being just a kid. When she argued that she was every bit as grown-up as her sister he said she'd run at the sight of a penis. She said she'd prove him wrong and they went outside. She ended up giving him a blow-job and bragged to her two friends about it. Out of curiosity about what an erection looked like, what a blow-job felt and tasted like, and to be as "grown up" as their friend, the other two said they'd like to try it as well. The guy volunteered himself and some of his friends. She said they liked the thrill of it, the positive feedback from the guys who told them how great they were at it ("better than their girlfriends", etc.), the attention from older guys etc.

Her regret was not that she had done it - she said it was going to happen anyway and that she liked giving blowjobs - but rather that the guys involved were blabbermouths (which she and her friends hadn't counted on) so she didn't form a normal relationship until she went to college because her "wild thing" reputation led to sexpectations from the guys in the town.

Mike Brooks

March 14th, 2004

Sex Education  
 
What people don't realize is that we, human beings,.. are sexual from the day we are born.We do not become sexual at 12 or 13 and we do not stop being sexual at 40 or 50 .Everything stops only when you are dead.What is at issue here is the proper management of sex just like for example learning how to eat the proper foods from an early age.Once we can rid sex of guilt,as we were taught in our Catholic upbringing,we can enjoy sex for what it is and not for what we can buy with it.What we need in our schools is an effective sex education program because as of now there isn't any.Parents are not always the best qualied to teach their children about sex .Ideally they should be the ones but unfortunately that is not the case.

As for Cass Rhynes ,he and all those other rich guys should be taught that sex with little girls is a crime and a serious one at that.

Mary Libby Talevi

March 3rd, 2004

The real question...  
 
Yeap, the real question is: do they swallow??

Seriously, call me old school, but I'm pretty shocked that 12-13 year old girlies are givin' head! Sorry, it's not normal. Where are their values? What kind of parents do they have? What kind of upbringing? I know society has changed (for the worst it seems...) and that kids are more aware of what goes on, but c'mon, head at 12-13!!!

At what age should one start having sex and/or giving head? I don't know... 16 or so was the norm when I was a teenager. Thank God I'm not a teenager anymore!

Christine Théoret
{1 vote}
March 2nd, 2004

Deep-Throat Mytho-Teens  
 
This idea that thirteen year old girls are cock-hungry meat fetishists is completely void of any research or reality. The opinions expressed inthis weeks "My Messy Bedroom" reeks strongly of NAMBLA rhetoric. Just because young children are being unabashedly sexualized, that doesn't mean they are maturing sexually earlier. In maturing, I mean, capable of making intelligent, responsible decisions. As far as some baseball player being meat-smoked reluctant, did one of these pre-teens have a chainsaw, or their finger on a doomsday device? Give me a break. Every point made in this article was as irresponsible as a twelve-year old blowjobber's sexual decisions. As far as pussy-eating in bathroom stalls, yeah, it can be done. And done well. What, exactly, are Ms. Vogels' credentials?
The new reality of our children's lives is nothing to be embraced. Nor is the preying upon them something to be condoned. Smarten up.

Kate Fallon
{2 votes}
February 28th, 2004

Swallow, or spit?  
 
Ah, the joys of youth, when a bit of sucking never really got you into trouble, when you snogged all your male classmates at the school disco and it was perfectly normal not to take much notice of them (as before) the next day at school.
I am a little surprised that girls as young as 12 are getting down and dirty with their lickety spit, but really what do you expect when images of bare-it-all Britney or some other teen idol are splashed all over the pages of magazines and in TV shows, and tabloids scream of sex and corruption everywhere you look?
Let's just say that I'm no prude and was up to plenty of naughty tricks when I was young, so it doesn't amaze me that this kind of thing still continues.
The whole furor over Cass Rhynes shagging around with minors is also nothing new, but it is an extremely stupid thing for a sports star to do - but then, what better way to get into the papers, even if it is bad publicity.
The comments that young girls love to give blowjobs sounds a bit too much like fantasy-land to me, there's a whole lot more taste in a penis than a breast, let me tell you!
I guess that the same questions plague 12th grade classes in whispers as they did when I was young - to swallow or spit?

Ellen Reid
{5 votes}
February 27th, 2004

Response to snow job  
 
Hi,I wish to say a few words about your article.First of all,bravo for your column,nowadays with the internet,the C.Aguilera look in schools,it was bound to happen.Here(in Montreal) with european mentalities,it's not that shocking,just watching french tv and seeing nudity more often than american tv,I think it's easier to explain to teens how they got here and what they'll be doing for the rest of their lives.
If a parent ignores that their kids are doing things,they might end up having to deal with pregnant girls.Boys and girls aren't diffrent from us,what's sad is they're not responsible enough for their actions.
When I was in school,kids were having sex under the stairs or elsewhere.Things change now or do they?
Problem is that if they do stuff witout protection,it becomes dangerous.
I think that the clothes in stores are gonna get smaller until another fashion trend makes another victim.The music videos are turning into porn flicks(the electroclash band ADD N TO X has a video banned that is just sex),nowadays porno actors and actresses are glorified.People are viewing sex like doing the chores,it's like WE'VE DONE THE LAUNDRY'LET'S DO IT IN THE WINDOW SO THE NEIGHBORS CAN WATCH. Bye for now.

Rob Sinnett
{2 votes}
February 27th, 2004

Josey goes down on messy teenage blowjobs  
 
I guess I must be a cultural throwback of some sort because my perspective on this issue is strictly old school. Oral sex and handjobs AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE as normal as acne or giving a handshake...no pun intended, by the way. I'm not going to romanticize them or go all puritanical as to say that they should be saved exclusively for when you're in a committed and married relationship. No, that archaic and unrealistic thinking. What I will say however is that reducing it to something so banal and socially acceptable at such a young age and on such a large scale is intrinsically wrong. I know that Times are different and children & teenagers evolve differently and faster than when I was a young lad but this trend is rather disturbing.

I'm sure there are a lot of contributing factors to this turn of events (a highgly sexualized society, an explicit media machine, the collapse of the traditional gender roles, etc...) but this is something that is now beyond our control. As if it ever was. Kids will be kids and unless you're there 24/7 to monitor and guide them they WILL decide and dictate their own evolution. Seriously, do you actually think that you could stop your kids from giving or receiving oral pleasure if they have their immature and willful hearts set on it?

Now, to break down Josey's misguided logic:
-according to her "...beyond practical considerations, the assumption is that these girls wanted the favour returned". Um, sorry hon, but that's YOUR assumption. Everyone wants an oral quid-pro-quo deal but that's never why you go down on somebody. If I go down on a woman it's because I WANT TO and because I enjoy giving her pleasure...but that's just me, I guess.

-Also she adds "After all, why aren't we scolding boys for not refusing oral sex?" Um, because historically speaking nobody, male or female, has ever turned down something pleasurable unless they had something they valued more than their own immediate gratification.

Pedro Eggers
{12 votes}
February 27th, 2004

Eh  
 
Sofia coppola did a good job with the virgin suicides..
however... lost in translation was a freaking snore-fest. murray was the only thing working in it.

karen hutchinson

March 2nd, 2004


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